Rosenverse
Opening Keynote: Breaking Conway's Law--or How to Work Differently and Not Ship Your Org Chart

This video is only accessible to Gold members. Log in or register for a free Gold Trial Account to watch.

Log in Register

Most conference talks are accessible to Gold members, while community videos are generally available to all logged-in members.

Opening Keynote: Breaking Conway's Law--or How to Work Differently and Not Ship Your Org Chart

Gold
Monday, June 3, 2019 • Enterprise Experience 2019
Share the love for this talk
Opening Keynote: Breaking Conway's Law--or How to Work Differently and Not Ship Your Org Chart
Speakers: Tatyana Mamut
Link:

Summary

If doing the same thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity, most enterprise product teams are insane. In today’s world, shipping truly innovative, customer-obsessed experiences means that we must break down silos and collaborate in new ways. In this talk, Head of Product (CPO) at Nextdoor, Tatyana Mamut, PhD–who also led multi-functional product teams at Amazon, Salesforce, and IDEO–draws upon experiences at enterprise companies that managed to break Conway’s Law and ship innovative product experiences by working across silos and functions.

Key Insights

  • Conway's Law means products often unintentionally reflect organizational silos, making collaboration across functions difficult.

  • All internal stakeholders can be right in their perspectives, but without shared customer focus, conflicts arise.

  • Customer obsession must be prioritized over revenue, competitors, technology, or business models to align organizations.

  • Leaders like CPOs and CEOs should spend regular, agenda-free time directly with customers to build empathy.

  • Real customer field research uncovers nuanced needs that proxies like surveys, sales feedback, or fictional personas miss.

  • Fictional personas dilute real customer complexity; using actual customer stories and photos is more effective.

  • Reframing product design around actual customer workflows—e.g., salespeople writing emails and holding meetings—can rapidly improve products.

  • Early, low-fidelity prototyping like sketches encourages honest, democratic feedback from customers.

  • Customer value drivers must dictate prioritization and metrics, as seen at Amazon (price, speed, selection) and Intuit (money, no work, confidence).

  • Aligning OKRs and dashboards to mission-driven customer metrics ensures product teams remain accountable to real user outcomes rather than shareholders alone.

Notable Quotes

"The products that you ship are direct reflections of your organizational processes and communication structures."

"Everyone has a different perspective and partial knowledge, and all are right—but that creates silos."

"Customer obsession instead of competitor obsession or technology obsession must be really clear across teams."

"Having your CEO and CPO spend two days a month in the field with customers without any agenda is critical."

"Sales objections are not customer insights; they serve different purposes and must be treated separately."

"Pipetting at a biology bench gives empathy no survey or photo can provide."

"Don’t make up fictional personas; use real people’s names, photos, and stories to capture real customer complexity."

"Showing sketches to customers early encourages them to redraw and better express their needs."

"If our employees are happy, they will take care of our customers—and shareholders will be just fine."

"Are we truly a customer-first company, or a shareholder-first company? That shows up in what we measure."

Ask the Rosenbot
Deanna Washington
Scaling Success: Paving the Path from DesignOps to VP
2023 • DesignOps Summit 2023
Gold
Holly Cole
Understanding Experiences: When you have to do more than work
2018 • DesignOps Summit 2018
Gold
Sarah Fathallah
A Typology of Participation in Participatory Research
2023 • Advancing Research 2023
Gold
Abby Covert
Stuck? Diagrams Help
2022 • DesignOps Community
JP Allen
Navigating the UX Tool Landscape
2021 • Advancing Research 2021
Gold
Kara Kane
Communities of Practice for Civic Design
2022 • Civic Design Community
Uday Gajendar
From AI to Zeitgeist: Theory as the design antidote to AI hype
2025 • Rosenfeld Community
Mike Davidson
Fireside Chat
2022 • Advancing Research 2022
Gold
Dan Willis
Enterprise Storytelling Sessions
2018 • Enterprise Experience 2018
Gold
Jake Burghardt
Stop wasting research: Create new value with insight summaries
2025 • Rosenfeld Community
Marissa Cui
Climate Design Product Showcase
2024 • Climate UX Interest Group
Peter Van Dijck
Building impactful AI products for design and product leaders, Part 3: Understand AI architectures: RAG, Agents, Oh My!
2025 • Rosenfeld Community
Kate Koch
Flex Your Super Powers: When a Design Ops Team Scales to Power CX
2021 • DesignOps Summit 2021
Gold
Terry Buckman
Wargaming (An Introduction)
2023 • Enterprise Community
Joshua Graves
We Need To Talk: Managing Ludicrous Requests at Work (Part 3 of 3)
2025 • Rosenfeld Community
Sam Proulx
Designing For Screen Readers: Understanding the Mental Models and Techniques of Real Users
2021 • Civic Design 2021
Gold

More Videos

Lavy Kumar

"With how of work now separated from where we work, the design process stays the same—thinking holistically for all personas and touchpoints."

Lavy Kumar Kat Temple Shan Sebastian Tara Jensen Jenn Chou

Future of Work

June 9, 2021

Andreas Huebner

"Our user base is really fun and complex, with different preferences that require nuanced automation approaches."

Andreas Huebner Amy Takata Craig Brookes

What Is It Like To Be Part of The UX Team at Compass?

March 11, 2021

Ricardo Martins

"Perception maps visually represent how consumers perceive brands relative to competitors along key attributes."

Ricardo Martins

Unlocking the power of advanced quantitative methods

March 12, 2025

Monty Hammontree

"We built a Mount Rushmore of design thinking engineers to help the culture resonate with developers."

Monty Hammontree

The Future of UX Research

December 3, 2020

Benjamin Real

"The C-suite often sees big change as resistance to change rather than needs for careful transition and impact understanding."

Benjamin Real

Showing the Value of DesignOps by Not Having a DesignOps Team

October 21, 2020

Kate Towsey

"People don't learn when they're rushed, stressed, or don't trust the source of the knowledge."

Kate Towsey

Ask Me Anything (AMA) with Kate Towsey

April 2, 2025

Steve Portigal

"Pilot projects with evangelists inside the company make ethnography manageable and successful."

Steve Portigal Chris Chapo Kelly Goto Christian Rohrer

Discussion

May 13, 2015

Sam Proulx

"Lack of confidence caused by unlabeled or difficult controls often leads assistive tech users to give up on purchases."

Sam Proulx

Online Shopping: Designing an Accessible Experience

March 28, 2023

Sam Proulx

"Users with physical challenges often can see and interpret prototypes but may need help clicking through them because assistive tech may not support the prototype system."

Sam Proulx

Prototype Reviews, People With Disabilities, and You

October 1, 2021